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  Kuran’da “Allah adina yalan uydurandan daha zalim kim olabilir” (enam 93) deniliyor. bu adamin Allah adina
  –cogunlukla sahte hadisler kanaliyla– uydurdugu duzmeceler & yalanlar o kadar fazla ki, belki de yuce Allah bu korkunc zalimlikleri yuzunden –dunyadaki bir on tehdit & azap olarak aklini basina alsin diye– bu sonucu vaki kilmis da olabilir. (muminun 53-56 & araf 30)

  nitekim USA’da 100 yildir calisan –bu adamin ilham aldigi ustadlari– (evrim dusmani & hayalperest gerceklik dusmani) Evanjelik & Gnostik Hristiyanlar da kendilerini “Ateizme Karsi Savasan Din Kahramanlari” olarak lanse ettikten sonra aynen bu adama benzer sekilde Allah adina her turlu duzmeceyi uyduruyorlar, ve milyonlarca insani kandirabiliyorlar malesef.

  muhittin on Mayıs 11th, 2008
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  Selam Arkadaşlar
  Bu Dinsiz materyalist ve dinsiz ideolojinin tarihi arka planlanını görebilirsiniz.

  ahmet on Mayıs 13th, 2008
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  selam arkadaslar,

  bu Amerikan kokenli Isaperest fanatik Evrim dusmani ideolojinin derin koklerini ve buna bagli olarak su an yurutulmekte olan “Evanjelik Dunya Duzeni” ve “Ortadogu Hacli Seferlerinin” derin baglantilarini bir miktar cozup idrak etmek isteyen arkadaslar da asagidaki su linki ziyaret edebilirler:

  http://www.kuranmuslumani.com/.....bir-bakis/

  semih on Mayıs 15th, 2008
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  sn. ali aksoy,

  gecenlerde dunya capinda okunan reuters bloglarindan birinde karsilastigim cok cok enteresan bir tartismayi (evrimi temelde kabul eden dindar bir insanla X evrimi toptan reddeden dindar bir insan arasinda) size de burada aynen iletmek istedim. fakat ne yazik ki, bu tartisma ingilizce olarak yapilmis. eger bunu burada aynen bu sekilde boylece kabul ederseniz, belki ingilizce bilen arkadaslar cok faydalanabilirler bu ikili enteresan tartismadan. ya da belki ileride bunu turkceye de cevirip aynen burada yayinlarsaniz, cok daha genis cercevede faydali olabilir bu tartisma tum arkadaslara. fakat eger uzunlugu & yabanci dil olusu nedeniyle bunu burada yayinlamak istemezseniz de anlayisla karsilarim. son karar sizindir. Allahin selami uzerinize olsun.
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  high to everyone, i would like to make some short comments,
  i would like to discuss this issue in detail but i have no time unfortunately:

  1) i am a muslim and I basically believe and support Evolution (as a process guided by Allah). and there are many muslim scholars and believers who basically do support Evolution in this manner.

  2) some biggest believing scientists of our time
  like Francis Collins (Christian USA) and Faruk Elbaz (Muslim Egypt) and thousands like them also supports the idea of Evolution as “God’s creation technique.”

  3) this 100 year old Evangelical anti-evolutionary stand and the ones who are walking after them in the name of God may in fact be very unfortunate for Religion.
  they may be doing more harm than good for the Religion and all the believers…

  4) to think that “by denying Evolution”
  you will prove God
  and “by denying the reality around us”
  (= declaring it to be a total illusion)
  you will defeat materialism

  may be false Evangelical and Gnostic Christian ideologies that came to existence long before the so called “international muslim hero” mentioned above.
  they are doing not good but may be doing “great harm” for all believers with these fallacious claims.

  Posted by musa - moses
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  Moses
  You are in a deep sleep my friend. I am not not going to be repeat myself as my many comments above have covered this.
  Any Muslim (and they usually tend to be the apologetic type which in are present age are many) whether a scholar or otherwise is misguided for the following reasons:-
  (1) The Qu’ran in no way whatsoever supports evolution and anyone who tries to claim so is doing so in vain for eg for more details see Harun Yayha’s Darwin is Incompatible with the Qu’ran
  (2) Modern Science itself particularly in the last 30 years has completely invalidated this sinister fairy tale proving that it was never more than: -
  IMAGINATION + SPECULATION FUELLED BY WISHFULLY THINKING!
  This is the pschological state typyfying the evolutionist/materialist/atheist mindset. How ironic it is that they can dare to charge believers with a
  ‘blind faith’ tag, supported by mainstream media/academia/ hollywood etc of course which instead utterly and deservedly belongs to them.
  Any person (eg i am a humble gardener with little high education) who learns of this truth can openly challenge in a confident and unhesitating manner ANYONE regardless of how loaded up (whether famous or charismatic) that person is of qualifications.
  Unfortunately it seems (i hope not) that you are one of those muslims that have gone to Uni and allowed themselves to get brainwashed and deceived into thinking that belief in this myth means being modern, progressive and ’scientific’. IT DOES NOT! Please realise what is going on.
  I invite you my brother to rid yourself of these puppet strings that are holding you up in order that you may see clearly insha Allah

  Posted by joe morreale
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  To all concerened
  I would also like to point out something very important.
  In the US great work is being done by also Creationists of a Cristian persuasion which has exposed the myth of evolution and refuted conclusively too but the unfortunate thing is that they leave themselves open to attack by insisting in bringing the Bible into play which unfortunately has clearcut irreconcilable scientific errors. The Bible is of course right in that it talks about creation but it does so in an erroneous fashion. The reason for this is simple - The Bible is known to be a changed and tampered with scripture (by men).
  But if creationists from US/Europe think or expect evolutionists/atheists to be accomodating or understan ding in this they must still be sleeping. It is cleary not in their interest to do so.
  This means that they label Bible-believing Cristians as being blind in their belief, dogmatic, stubborn and bigoted - all charges that in anycase as it has turned out can be levelled and much more at the evolutionists!
  Fortunately no such problems exist with the final revelation to humanity: THE QU’RAN

  Posted by joe morreale
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  high joe,

  as I already mentioned above, there are many –renowned and respected worldwide– christian & muslim scientists and scholars who support evolution;
  and there are many verses in Scripture that may miraculously indicate to us some of the most important aspects of evolution. (Ankeboot 20 & Anbeyaa 30 & nooh 13-14 & ibrahim 19 & araaf 69 & anaam 132 & bakaraa 30…)
  and also please check out the links below:

  = dr. Francis Collins (the head of the human genome project) and %40 of believing USA christian scientists
  and many other scholars who support evolution as “God’s creation technique” like him.

  = dr. Farouk Elbaz (the first muslim scientist who worked in NASA and he was the science consultant for many muslim countries for years) and many other muslim scientists and scholars from all over the muslim countries who basically support the idea of evolution
  as “God’s creation technique” like him.

  and also today in USA 36% of all believers –christians & muslims & jews etc.– support the research and teaching of evolution. only the right wing evangelicals (by the way these are the crusaders and invaders of islamic regions and fanatical haters of islam worldwide and throughout the history) are %100 against evolution at least for 100 years. the deep –political & theological reasons– behind this anti-evolutionary stand is being clearly understood now in many moderate christian & muslim circles.

  to put it here very shortly = if God really used evolution as a creation technique,
  then the evangelical idea that:
  all humans were created in an instant, by God,
  and immune from all evolution, like God,
  in the perfect “Image of God”
  may not be so true…

  and so the idea that Jesus was a perfect %100
  “Image of God” may also be very questionable…

  in short, this anti-evolutionary (= fallaciously claiming that God never used evolution) and anti-reality (= fallaciously claiming that God never created the matter around us, but it is only an illusion in our brains) are originally fanatic evangelical & gnostic christian ideologies,

  please just “google” the subject under “evangelical anti-evolutionary crusade…” & “gnostical anti-reality crusade…” and see the real masterminds of your misled heroes.

  and these fanatic evangelism & gnosticism in fact may surely be the false MESSIANIC IMPOSTOR (= Anti-Christ & Messiah-Dajjal) ideologies of our time…

  so God knows best who is sleeping yet, and who is totally AWAKE my brother!

  take care. salaam.

  Posted by musa - moses
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  You are in a delusional state. No doubt about it. Although it is true that evolution need not neccessarily rule out the Creator but the simple FACT of the matter is that the Glorious Qu’ran does not support it and modern science has clearly invalidated it. If you insist otherwise you need to do the following:
  (1) Prove that all of a sudden the wondrous cell is not incredibly complex and that mathematically it is possible for it to have come about by chance/coincidental and random processes.
  (2) That the so-called king-pin of evolution, natural selection(the dressed up blind chance-based imaginary false deity of evolutionists) via mutations adds new beneficial information to the genes therby fuelling evolution.
  (3) The cambrian Explosion never happened
  (4) Thermodynamics supports evolution instead of burying it
  (5) The fossil record supports it with innumerable examples of transitional forms as would have most certainly existed had it happened and therby conclusively proving it without any shadow of a doubt to “stubborn” people like me! All we have had so far is fakes, frauds, cartoons based on the imagination,speculation and deceptive fossil interpretations of an alleged few which evolutionists try to portray as such and not ONE SINGLE GENUINE exapmle of a transitional form.
  (6) That the enormous info in DNA can be reduced to matter and explained in materialist terms which is ideoligically crucial to the evolutionist point of few
  (7) That the images (see The secret beyond matter/Darwin’s Dilemma, the Soul by HY for more detail) seen at the back of the brain like in our dreams too can also be explained in material terms
  (8) That the mainstreammedia for eg on the Discovery Channel, History Channel, National Geographic,Hollywood, news channels and various scientific journals have made all of the above present to the common people.Even if they were to do it in their typically circulatory and tautalogical style and engaging in verbal acrobatics. NOT EVEN THAT! THEY SIMPLY DO NOT WANT IT OUT IN THE OPEN
  I am ready to supply you with a mountain of admissions from evolutionist themselves regarding the above. All you need to do is ask and they will come flooding in!
  As for giving me statistics on percentages of believers in evolution i would say that that is subject to argument in view of the rising tide of creationist science in the last 30 years. Do not be deceived by the fact that the secular controlling mainstream media champion and often give all the time in the day to the views of evolutionists and hardly nothing to creationists
  Remember the views of many scientists and society at large regarding Galileo in his time. Were not the majority then in the wrong? Also as a Muslim the majority opinion that should first and foremost count to you is the opinion of the scholars of Sunnah Wa’l Jammah who have the blessed Isnad (chain of transmission) going back to the Prophet (saas) and not the speculative nonsense of misguided apologetic weak muslims of this age.
  Furthermore it was influential and powerfull anti-religionist materialist circuls (in particular freemasons) who at the time jumped at the opportunity the theory of evolution offered to justify their atheism and world view who have been at the forefront(still are) in propagating
  this falsehood. It has been a tool that has been used in an attempt to disprove God and mock religion.
  But as Allah swt says they are only mocking themselves. Remember also Allah swt said: - that if one were to follow the common run of people it will lead one astray.
  Please for details see HY book on Darwin is incompatable with the Qu’ran which clears up all your misconceptions including those verses which you erroneously point to.
  God Almighty did not Create living things via evolution. AN IRREFUTABLE AND CONCLUSIVE FACT. PERIOD

  Posted by joe morreale
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  high joe,

  you may be misled because of your a little bit biased & uninformed perspective from the beginning.

  first of all, in the Scripture, the beginning of Universe –out of bang– and then its evolution, and the beginning of life –out of water– and then its evolution is mentioned together. (anbeyaa 30) (nooh 13-14 & insaan 1) this must be in itself a miraculous statement & a powerful hint –about the origin of universe and about the origin of life– in one verse together. (21/30)

  and in the Scripture we also learn that when God plans a process (=qada amran), then He only says to it “be” (=koon) and then it immediately starts to be (=feyakoonu), as He wishes.

  for example, when God wants to create “iron,” He plans all the “stage by stage” process thereof beforehand, and then He says to it “be,”
  and thereupon in the stars all the elements start to be from the simplest to the most complex (hydrogen & helium & lithium…) by itself in this “stage by stage” process, and then “iron” comes up in the advanced stages of this process, fully under His inspiration & command. (but this inspiration & command part cannot be observed by our five senses, and for this reason this part is the “belief” part of this scientific phenomenon. (israa 44 & fussilat 11) but up until here, this is a process scientifically observed and accepted by all theists and atheists together & alike. and because that God’s inspiration & command and communication with all universe and in such processes cannot be observed by humans’ five senses, all these processes & mechanisms are called “random processes” by scientific standards. so whoever wants, after this, s/he can believe that these random processes are totally
  inspired & controlled –above our five senses– by the Creator; and whoever wants, after this, s/he can believe that these random processes are only of Natural source, and does not go further than that. there is no compulsion in our religion (baqara 256) beyond this point. we can only tell about the magnificence of all these mechanisms & processes and the magnificient final products thereof, and invite people to God based on this knowledge; but then the final decision regarding this important subject always rests with the individuals…
  no compulsion beyond this point.

  and we can apply this perspective to all the other scientific subjects as well, including big bang and our evolution of course.

  and then we can understand why in USA today although
  %87 of population are believing in God and only %13 of population are not believing in anything further than Nature,
  the evolution is still up and alive and being researched & taught & accepted in schools. it is because MAINLY with the support of these kind of righteous &
  truth-seeker believing people, this is so.
  (and by the way, if you go to any evangelical fanatic anti-evolutionary websites here, you can easily see that –for this reason– they are harshly attacking these kind of righteous & truth-seeker
  (theistic-evolutionary) christians more than atheists & agnostics etc…)

  yes; but if someone is of an evangelical mind –or under the influence of evangelical literal interpretation of Scriptures– and so s/he erroneously does believe that God created all the universe and all the living things in an instant and with his own hands (because evangelicals have no concept of God’s saying “be” and then everything starts to “be” by itself upon His this command, and then continue to evolve according to a predetermined heavenly master-plan that is fully under His inspiration & command…
  as i tried to a little bit explain above), and then if s/he again erroneously does believe that God created human beings in the perfect Physical Image of Himself (which of course should have been perfectly far away & immune from any kind of evolution in this case, from the beginning to the end) then s/he of course MUST be an ardent opponent of any kind of evolution concept at all, from the very start.

  and by the way, the worldwide renowned & respected another german scientist Hoimar Von Ditfurth may be the first prominent Christian scientist on earth who questioned this false evangelical concept (= all human beings have been created in the perfect physical Image of God! and so Jesus is sent as %100 perfect Image of God!) by using the concept of Evolution against this disastrously erroneous evangelical religious doctrine. and for this reason in many evangelical fanatic anti-evolutionary websites he is harshly condemned and presented as an agent of atheists & masons etc.

  but may God bless his soul –and the souls of all the other Christians who will follow in his footsteps–
  and may Jesus (= the honorable Servant of God) embrace and love them for all eternities.

  so my brother, then if you see all of these righteous christian & muslim scientists –especially–

  = dr. Francis Collins (by revealing human genome, he tremendously contributed to the well being of all humanity, and rightfully is respected by all humanity
  –theists and atheists alike.
  (and by writing a book about his belief in God, he caused hundreds of thousands of people come close to
  God worldwide)

  = dr. Farouk Elbaz (by educating hundreds of prominent muslim scientists –including the first muslim who went up into space and commemorated the name of Allah
  therein–
  he contributed tremendously to the well being of all muslims around the world, and rightfully is respected by all humanity –theists and atheists alike.

  and thousands of other believing scientists in their footsteps who basically support evolution as “God’s creation technique,”
  as “misguided apologetic weak christians & muslims of this age” and you also see these righteous & knowledgeable men as in a “delusional state,”

  but on the other hand, you take for yourself some guys

  = probably an art-school drop out (heavily influenced by these fanatic evangelical anti-evolutionary ideology & publications)

  = and also who claims that all the universe around us is no more than an “illusion” in our brains (heavily influenced by these gnostic anti-reality ideology & publications)
  (** and this disastrously erroneous idea has long been identified as a big “satanic delusion” by nearly all muslims from the time of prophet Muhammad…)
  (you should also see respected sunni scholar Bilal Phillips explanations on this important subject on youtube…)

  as a scientific & religious hero and a strong muslim in a “healthy state of mind,” perhaps this should be the biggest dilemma of your life, my brother.
  again, take care. salaam.

  ** and you should also see –easily google– all the sunni scholars in many muslim countries (turkey & egypt & pakistan & jordan…) who are experts in arabic language and who make wonderful explanations about signs of “evolutionary creation” in the Scripture. because this is a long subject i cannot give and explain all the related verses here right now. it would take days to do so. but if you want, you can reach them easily. whether you accept them or not is up to you then. no compulsion in our religion at all.)

  salaam.

  Posted by musa - moses
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  Moses
  You have been dealt with Bro. You just keep repeating the same stuff. There is no remedy for this type of sickness. Your enslaved to your whims and desires.
  I just want to say that the issue about matter isn’t about it not existing or being an illusion but what we see on the outside is formed as an image/copy inside our brains and therefore cannot say with certainty that it is the real version. This is also what modern science has arrived at although once again people at large do not know about it because once again it is being hidden or kept away from them because it leads to the obvious conclusion:- our souls are being presented with what Allah swt wants us to see.
  You suffer an inferiority complex. You insist on beleiving in fairy tales and scandalously continue to claim that tha Holy Qu’ran supports you.
  Are you saying that Adam (as) who originally was in heaven and then sent to earth descended from apes?!
  For the umpteenth time The Qu’ran in no way supports you and neither does modern science as the fossil record has established.
  WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU

  Posted by joe morreale
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  Moses
  By the way even if you had all the time in the world you would never be able to prove evolution and meet all the points that i have raised concerning it. There has been no evidence found for it whatsoever and it is only being kept alive by means of deception/propaganda.Once someone is informed about it it is no longer possible to sincerely believe in it any more.IT IS ALL OVER. And it is becoming tedious to have to keep on repeating myself. At the end of the day you can take a horse to the water but you can’t make it drink.
  Regarding the issue of matter again i am going to present to you further scientific evidence via the admissions of atheist/materialist/evolutionist scientists themselves:
  George Berkeley - “At the beginning, it was beleived that colors, odors,etc, ‘really exist’, but subsequently such views were renounced, and it was seen that they only exist in dependence on our sensations.”
  Including your Hoimar V Dit - “No matter how we put the argument, the result doesn’t change. What stands before us in full shape and what are eyes view is not the “world”. It is only its image, a resemblance, a projection whose association with the original is open to discussion.”
  For obvious reasons (pschological) they are reluctant to admit that this reality is the Soul.
  A British revert scientist to Islam Dr Arthur J Alison , the head of the department of Elect and Elect engineering said having done studies via electrical and electronic instruments(parapschology) he concluded that ’something’ i.e the soul leaves the body during sleep and returns to when waking. This is yet(and he points this out) another scientific miracle of the Qu’ran 39:42 which again parallels modern scientific discoveries.
  My Brother if you were ignorant and misinformed regarding all these scientific evidences which have ruined and killed evolution this excuse is no longer available to you. Especially in your regard to your absurd saying that the Qu’ran supports evolution.
  Wasalaam

  Posted by joe morreale
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  high joe, you said:
  ———-
  I just want to say that the issue about matter isn’t about it not existing or being an illusion but what we see on the outside is formed as an image/copy inside our brains and therefore cannot say with CERTAINTY that it is the REAL VERSION!!!
  ———-

  yes, brother. we CAN and we MUST say with CERTAINTY that it is absolutely %100 the REAL VERSION, if we believe in God’s Word. (and who can know this issue better than the Creator?)
  because this is what God has taught us in the Scripture:

  did you not SEE (and realize) that God created the heavens and the earth with/as a “REALITY” (= belhaqqi)… (ibraheem 19)

  but according to Gnostic ideology (you can visit their official site here: stargods.org)

  ———-
  Our reality is based on the programming that has been embedded in our brains. So who says that that programming is HONEST??? (stargods)
  ———-
  (** so by this they are questioning
  the honesty of this programming and the HONESTY OF
  GOD –who made this programming– in the first place!
  but of course, He is recognized as a trusted %100 HONEST GOD by all believers in all His works. (ibraheem 19 & ghaasheyah 17-20 & …)
  who could think the otherwise, except these sick-minded Gnostic manipulators?)

  ———-
  Change the programming and you alter all human REALITY!!! (stargods)
  ———-
  (** it may not be so easy at all, o you deluded Gnostic minds!) hajj 73 & …

  ———-
  If this is the case then all physical reality is an ILLUSION!!!
  What if our brain is programmed to see light in a different way? The fact is that there may not even be a universe out there! What if the universe is actually a “massive monster” with an open mouth coming towards earth to swallow the world. This is totally a possibility if our brains are programmed to interpret the visual images into another form. (stargods)
  ———-
  (** yeah, i also believe it is a real possibility for you, but not for the “healthy-minded” normal believers.)

  so for us there may be two options here:

  1) to believe in God’s Word and truly trust Him,
  and learn from Him and understand that:

  the outside world is a %100 REALITY created by our God (ibraheem 19) in the first place, and image/copy of this outside world that is again created by our God –by the means of the light– in our brains (israa 12) is also
  %100 SAME as the outside REAL things. and no one can manipulate this REALITY against the will of God. (hajj 73 & toor 32…)

  (and this has been the consistent true perspective & belief of many righteous christian or muslim scholars & scientists & thinkers throughout the history, and now.)

  2) these horrendously false claims of Gnosticism

  = we cannot know if the outside world REALLY exist or not???

  = we cannot know if the image/copy of outside world in our brains is REALLY reflective of the real things or not???

  = we can easily manipulate these images in the way we want, if we find the magic –satanic– trick!!!

  must surely be the erroneous FALSE MESSIAH (= Messiah Dajjaal & Anti Christ) ideology of our time…

  and joe, you again said:
  ———-
  My Brother if you were ignorant and misinformed regarding all these scientific evidences which have ruined and killed evolution!!! this excuse is no longer available to you. Especially in your regard to your absurd!!! saying that the QURAN SUPPORTS EVOLUTION?
  ———-

  yes, Quran may basically be supporting “EVOLUTIONARY CREATION” (as many muslim scholars agree and explained it in detail)…
  yes, Quran may miraculously be pointing out to us:

  = how the origin of life –with primitive organisms– began in water in the first place (ankeboot 20 & anbeyaa 30)

  = and then how it has been evolved in basic “common ancestry” (= atvaaran) method (nooh 13-14)

  = and then how the first human beings appeared on earth after a long evolutionary process as a “successor” (= haleefatan) to some –human-like– primates. (insaan 1) &(baqara 30 & anaam 133)

  all these important issues and the garden (= jannaat) from which Adam and Eve has been evicted –must have taken place after this long evolutionary process– are well explained by many muslim scholars;
  and all the miraculous verses that points out to evolution and its most basic –God selected– mechanisms are again well discussed & explained in these books. so i strongly urge all righteous believers (christians & muslims & jews and others) here to get some of these books and see all the evidences. (and all these believing scientists and scholars are, of course, well aware of some “anti-evolutionary” objections against these scientific & religious evidences, and they are giving the credible answers to those objections.)

  yes; but why then God would want to use Evolution as His most-wise Creation technique?
  as some of us may already know, in evangelical ideology it is –horrendously erroneously– believed that

  = God created human beings with His own hands and in an instant –perfectly immune from all kinds of evolution before and after– perfectly in His own physical image???

  = then God created and sent Jesus –among these Godlike humans!– %100 percent perfectly in His own physical image???

  yes, if God had really wanted to create some creatures perfectly in His own image, and then to send a most beloved “God incarnate” messenger to these creatures, this would have had to be the only ideal “creation technique,” of course.

  but if God in reality used evolution as a creation technique, then all this evangelical ideology & perspective & interpretation may basically be HIGHLY ERRONEOUS…
  and please see, how a –worldwide popular– evangelical site (christiananswers.net) have long put this argument in their “DANGERS OF THEISTIC EVOLUTION” list:

  —————-
  danger no 5=
  The incarnation of God through His Son Jesus Christ is one of the basic teachings of the Bible. The Bible states that “The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us” (John 1:14), “Christ Jesus… was made in the likeness of men” (Philippians 2:5-7).
  The idea of evolution undermines this foundation of our salvation. Evolutionist –christian scientist– Hoimar von Ditfurth discusses the incompatibility of Jesus’ incarnation and evolutionary thought: “Consideration of evolution inevitably forces us to a critical review… of Christian formulations. This clearly holds for the central Christian concept of the ‘incarnation’ of God… ”
  (christiananswers)
  ————

  so all righteous christians & muslims & jews and others, let us come together then, and let us get united
  under one true God (the God of moses & jesus & david & muhammad) and let us not be duped by this false
  anti-reality and anti-evolutionary gnostic & evangelical FALSE MESSIAH (= Messiah Dajjaal & Anti Christ) ideologies.

  let us worship God alone, like moses and jesus and david and muhammed have all worshipped Him alone. and let us thank our God for His these Realistic & Evolutionary wonderful creations, and let us know that only our God is totally immune from all kind of evolution from all past-eternities and to all future-eternities.

  and lastly, i want to give here some of Jesus’ (= the honorable Servant of God) words which condemns all erroneous believers who falsely claim that he was “God incarnate.”

  Jesus said: why do you call me good? no one is good but God alone. (Mark 10/18)

  (** so Jesus himself here humbly & clearly accepted and stated that he was neither “good” nor “God.”)

  Jesus said: many will say to me on that day: lord, lord, did we not prophesy in your name, did we not drive out demons in your name, did we not do mighty deeds in your name?
  then i will declare to them solemnly: i never knew you. depart from me, you evildoers! (Matthew 6/22-23)

  (** anti-reality and anti-evolutionary gnostic & evangelical minds –as we examined above a little bit– and the ones who walk in their footsteps may certainly be among these evildoers. yes, perhaps they are the real evildoers, aren’t they?)

  take care, again. salaam.

  Posted by musa - moses
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  abdullah on Mayıs 16th, 2008
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  sn. ali aksoy,

  yukarida iletmeye calistigim –reuters bloglari kaynakli– ingilizce yazilari & ikili tartismayi burada boylece aynen yayinladiginiz icin, Allah sizden razi olsun. bu yazilar su an dunya capinda butun hristiyanlar ve muslumanlar tarafindan da rahatlikla & cokca okunan bir platformda bulunuyorlar. ve bu tartisma icinde ahirzamanin en onemli & en kritik konularindan olan MESIH DECCAL ve ISLAM DECCALI konulariyla ilgili bir hayli enteresan bilgiler bulunuyor. bu sebeple, bu tartismanin geri kalan en son ve bir hayli enteresan bolumunu de burada yine aynen iletmek istiyorum. bu tartismayi en iyi bir sekilde turkceye cevirebilecek arkadaslar varsa, lutfen Allah rizasi icin bunu yapsinlar ve tum inananlara duyursunlar bu cok onemli & cok kritik ahirzaman bilgilerini. tekrar selam ve hurmetlerimle.
  ———————–

  Moses,
  You truly lack understanding my Brother. What exists on the outside is reality but of the kind that God presents to our soul. This means that only He knows for sure whether what is shown to us is the real version. This is not a denial of the existence of matter but only the explanation that what we see is it’s image/copy. We cannot go beyond that. The same applies to our dreams and our Hereafter. The only ABSOLUTE Being is Allah and the rest is shadow beings.
  And for the last time this is also what Modern Science which for eg quantem physics/mechanics has shown.
  Look at Harun Yayha’s articles: Quantum Physics: the discovery that scientifically demolished materialism
  The wave-like properties of the electron and the scientific proof. See Darwin’s Dilemma:The Soul. Also see The secret beyond matter.com
  Qu’ran denies darwinism.com
  This as i keep telling you will expose your absurd claims that The Qu’ran supports evolution. The fact that you believe that we were descended from apes means with certainty that you are going against the Qu’ran(which is a grave thing indeed) and modern science which has not provided any evidence whatsoever for evolution beyond speculation based on the wishfull-thinking of those who do not want to submit to the Allah(God) swt and try to find (in vain of course) justifications for their atheism and materialistic outlook of the world.
  You should look at (and i have mentioned this many times before) Evolution Deceit, Darwinism Refuted, The Dark Spell of Darwinism - How Darwinists twist the truth to turn people away from God (their propaganda teqniques)
  The errors of the National Academy of Science(USA),
  A definitive reply to evolutionist propaganda etc which gives mountains of evidence showing the invalidity of evolution at EVERY LEVEL and the ADMISSIONS OF EVOLUTIONISTS THEMSELVES which means conclusively that it is ALL OVER. Are you listening and taking heed instead of ignoring it because it is not conforming to your whims and desires? Do you suffer from similar pschological sicknesses that they do?
  I want to conclude with just one example (and there are
  many) of an atheist/evolutionist philosopher:Malcom Muggeridge
  “I myself am convinced that the theory of evolution, especially the extent to which it’s been applied, will be one of the GREAT JOKES in the history books in the future. Posterity will MARVEL that so very flimsy and DUBIOUS an HYPOTHESIS could be accepted with the incredible credulity that it has.”
  This is an admission of someone (and there are many like that) who in spite of what he has just said continues to believe in the myth called evolution! Is there any remedy for such sickness?
  My Brorher do not fall into the same trap and walk tall and proudly that you are a Muslim which means we are on the truth and we can provide evidence including scientifically that we are, and unlike evolutionists
  ours is most certainly not blind faith.
  I will no longer be exchanging views with you as i feel that i have truly covered matters Alhamdulillah.
  Take care Insha Allah
  Salaam
  Yusuf Salah-uh-Din Morreale (an Italian revert Brother of yours in Islam)

  Posted by joe morreale
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  high joe, you said:
  ———-
  You truly lack understanding my Brother. What exists on the outside is reality but of the kind that God presents to our soul. This means that only He knows for sure whether what is shown to us is the REAL VERSION?
  ———-

  yes, of course only God knows it; and then He clearly informs us in His Scripture that = it is %100 REAL VERSION (Image/Copy) of the outside %100 REALITY. (ibraheem 19 & israa 12 & ghasheeyah 17-20 …)

  but again according to Gnostic ideology:
  first of all,

  = we cannot know if the outside world REALLY exist or not???

  = we cannot know if the image/copy of outside world in our brains is really reflective of the real things or not???

  = we can easily manipulate these images in the way we want, if we find the right technique!!!

  these are DELUSIONAL and deeply ERRONEOUS Gnostic views & claims. whoever follows after these erroneous claims are definitely under the influence of FALSE MESSIAH (= Messiah Dajjaal & Anti Christ) ideologies…

  and these kind of Gnostic masterminds are already searching now for a way to manipulate the real IMAGE/COPY of the outside real world in our brains.
  they claim that:
  (you can read and learn –and beware of all these kind of erroneous & delusional claims– in their official site: stargods.org in detail)
  ———-
  1) Our reality is based on the programming that has been embedded in our brains. So who says that that programming is HONEST??? (stargods)
  ———-

  because they claim that in fact originally satan (not God) has made this programming!!! and for that reason we are cut off from REALITY right now!!!
  and if we really want to see this REALITY, first we must utterly reject the Materialistic View that = the matter around us is real.
  in short, because we are now utterly under the influence of this satanic Materialistic View!, we cannot see the REALITY!!!
  but if we totally submit ourselves to our God and follow in the footsteps of these “Gnostic Religious Heroes” (because they undermined Materialistic View forever by this extraordinarily righteous discovery!!) we shall certainly see the REALITY!!!

  here is just one little -theoretical- example:

  all our beloved deceased relatives & parents & sisters etc. may in fact be all around us right now!! but satan do not want us to see them, he hides them from us!!
  for that reason our brains cannot interpret the “electrical current” coming to it from outside correctly and let us see them!! but if we submit ourselves to our God and reject this satanic Materialistic View –matter around us is real & the image/copy of it is real– and instead accept this righteous Gnostic View!! –they are all but an illusion based on a satanic programming– then God will open our eyes, and then our brain will interpret these electrical currents coming from outside just “rightfully,” and then we shall see on earth all our deceased beloved ones just in front of us everywhere, as a truthful REALITY??!!

  this and all the other similar highly delusional & erroneous christian Gnostic claims of course have definitely been rejected by Jesus (= the Honorable Servant of God) beforehand in Gospel. (Luke 17/27-31) and again Jesus (= the Honorable Servant of God) how beautifully has informed us of such highly delusional & erroneous positions:

  take care, then, that the Light in you not become Darkness. (Luke 11/35)

  because if the Light in you is Darkness, how great will the Darkness be. (Matthew 6/23)

  and again our prophet Muhammed how beautifully informed us via Quran that:

  = the outside world is a %100 REALITY created by our God (ibraheem 19) in the first place,

  = and image/copy of this outside world that is again created by our God –by the means of light– in our brains (israa 12) is also %100 SAME as the outside REAL things.
  and no one can manipulate this REALITY against the will of God. (hajj 73 & toor 32…)

  so all of us must exceedingly take care and beware of such highly delusional & erroneous Gnostic FALSE MESSIANIC (= Messiah Dajjaal & Anti Christ) claims,
  and we must reject such erroneous claims from the very start, definitely & completely.
  (for this reason, please see again the respected sunni scholar Bilal Phillips sermon on youtube:
  (Beware of …) & (… is an idolater.)

  and this “anti-reality” Gnostic branch must be no: 1 horrendously erroneous FALSE MESSIAH (= Impostor) ideology of our time.

  and “anti-evolutionary” Evangelical branch –which i tried to expose a little bit in my above writings– must be no: 2 horrendously erroneous FALSE MESSIAH (= Impostor) ideology of our time.

  as i tried to explain the real motives behind this paranoid & ignorant anti-evolutionary Evangelical movement that has been continuing incessantly at least for 100 years up until now, especially in US and then worldwide. (please read again my above writings
  about this anti-evolutionary Evangelical movement and its real false deep reasons for this biased & ignorant attackings on Science & Humanity worldwide for a long long time.)

  but despite this paranoid & ignorant Evangelical anti-evolutionary tirade, today at least

  = %40 of Theistic Scientists still strongly support Evolution as “God’s Creation Technique” in US.

  = %36 of population supports Evolution as “God’s way of creating life on earth.”

  (by the way these statistics have all been confirmed now by many Evangelical anti-evolutionary sites, to their deep anger & sorrow…)

  and in Islamic world (especially turkey & egypt & pakistan & jordan…) many believing scientists and scholars and thinkers are now recognizing the “Evolutionary Creation” concept and they are embracing it against these Evangelical anti-evolutionary movements. and especially in turkey on many religious websites many –especially young and educated– believers are giving the Evolution news and giving the miraculous Quranic verses which informs all humanity about God’s wonderful evolutionary creation techniques… (anbeyaa 30 & nooh 13-14 & ibraheem 19 & araaf 69 & anaam 133 & insaan 1 & …)

  so again, then all righteous christians & jews & muslims & and other believing people, let us get united under one true God; let us know that

  = our God is unlike anyone & anything. (Quran 42/11) (Torah-Deut. 4/15-18)

  = so He did not create human beings in an instant in His own physical Image (as Evangelicals falsely claim);
  but He created everything in evolutionary steps to clearly show us that:

  we also are all humble human beings that are product of an evolutionary creation in the first place (anaam 133 & baqara 30), and we even now may be open to further evolutionary process in the way our God wishes… (anaam 133 & ibraheem 19)

  so only our God himself is immune from all kinds of evolution from all past-eternities to all
  future-eternities, because He is the only Perfect One,

  and so no creature/species on earth or in heaven has or will ever be created in the perfect physical Image of God…

  so Jesus (= the honorable Prophet of God) himself was a humble human being like us, who clearly stated that he was not a perfect “God incarnate” at all. (Mark 10/18)

  so let us all worship this magnificient God alone, the God of Moses & Jesus & David & Muhammed.

  let us appreciate everything He has created for us here
  as %100 REALITY and their %100 REAL images… (14/19 & 17/12 & …)

  let us appreciate all His wonderful EVOLUTIONARY creations… (21/30 & 71/13-14 & 76/1 & …)

  and all the atheists & agnostics etc. who hear this:
  you should never run away from God and true religion because of these delusional & paranoid “anti-reality” and “anti-evolutionary” false religious doctrines.
  on the contrary, you too should learn and come close to this “realistic & evolutionary” God and true religion. you may find happiness and contentment forever, if you decide to do so.

  all friends, take care again. salaam.

  Posted by musa - moses
  *********************************

  and lastly, i want to give here this very crucial & critical piece of religious information
  for all of us:

  as Jesus (= the honorable Prophet of God) clearly & miraculously stated and informed us in Gospel=

  many false prophets will arise and deceive many… (Matthew 24/11)

  many will say to me on that day: lord, lord, did we not prophesy in your name, did we not drive out demons in your name, did we not do mighty deeds in your name?

  then i will declare to them solemnly: i never knew you. depart from me, you evildoers! (Matthew 6/22-23)
  ———-

  so the FALSE MESSIAH (= Anti Christ & Dajjaal) ideology & movement will basically be acting in the name of Messiah Jesus, and they will think that they are certainly guiding all believers to God and Jesus and eternal paradise;
  but in fact, they will be leading many believers to Satan and eternal hell by their false “delusional & paranoid” ideologies…

  **********

  and as Muhammad (= the honorable Prophet of God) clearly & miraculously stated and informed us in Quran:

  praise be to God; He will show you His –Quranic–”verses” (aayaatehe) soon, and you will definitely recognize them; because your Lord is not unaware of what “you are/will be doing.” (naml 93) & (hajj 75-76)

  …and upon some of them the straying became unavoidable; because they took the satans (= Gnostics & Evangelicals…) as guides for themselves other than God, but they think that they are certainly “guided/guiding ones” (= mahdees & muhtadoon). (aaraaf 30)
  ———-

  so FALSE MAHDEE (= Anti Muhammad & Dajjaal) movement & ideology will basically be acting in the name of Mahdee Muhammed, and they will think that they are certainly guiding all believers to God and Muhammad and eternal paradise;
  but in fact, they will be leading many believers to Satan and eternal hell by their false “delusional & paranoid” ideologies…

  so all believers, take care again,
  salaam.

  Posted by musa - moses
  **********************************

  abdullah on Mayıs 19th, 2008
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  Adnan Oktar’ın uluslararası bir kahraman olduğunu şimdiden görebiliyorum. Kendisine çamur atanlar, o günler geldiğinde hala tembel tembel oturup aleyhte komik şeyler yazacaklar.

  Herşeyi yaratan Allah’tır. Zafer ve galibiyet baştan Adnan Oktar ve Allah’ı seven ve korkanlarındır. İstersen nükleer patlat. Sonuç değişmeyecek.

  BEN DE ADNANIM on Mayıs 20th, 2008
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  Allahi birakip bu adnana ve onun Allah adina uydurdugu igrenc yalanlara kulluk edenler komik adamlar dogrusu!
  yuce Allah bu gibi adamlarin icinde bulunduklari feci durumu ne kadar guzel & ibretlik sekilde aciklamis Kitabinda:

  …fakat bir kisminin uzerine de sapiklik hak oldu. cunki bunlar kendilerine Allahin disinda seytanlari (= fanatik gerceklik dusmani Gnostik hristiyanlar & fanatik evrim dusmani Evanjelik hristiyanlar) rehberler edindiler, fakat saniyorlar ki kendileri suphesiz “Mehdilerdir!” (= muhteduun) (Araf 30)

  kemal on Mayıs 20th, 2008
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  Kuran’da yuce Allah diyor ki:

  ———-
  Allah adina yalan uretenden,
  veya “bana vahyolunuyor” diyenden daha ZALIM kim olabilir? (enam 93)
  ———-

  oyleyse, bu hy’nin ve yandaslarinin Allah adina urettikleri “yalanlari” –ve bu adi yalanlari elbette hy’ye Allah tarafindan (hasa) “vahyedilmis” gercekler olarak goruyorlar & lanse ediyorlar– bir miktar daha yakindan musahede etmek ve sakinmak isteyen arkadaslar asagidaki su linklere girerek daha detayli Kuransal bilgiler edinebilirler.
  ve adi gnostik & evanjelik hristiyan ideolojileriyle bu sozde hy “vahiylerinin” ne kadar yakin & sapkin ideolojiler olduklarina da yine bizzat kendileri sahit olabilirler.

  1. buyuk yalan:
  ——————
  biz disimizdaki nesnelerin ne kadar “gercek” olduklarini bilemeyiz!! biz sadece bunlarin dogrulugu pek mechul “goruntuleriyle” muhatabiz!! bundan otesini bilemeyiz!! bizim muhatap oldugumuz tek gerceklik beynimize ulasan “elektron akimidir.” bundan otesi bunun yorumuna bagli subjektif bir “hayal” dunyasidir!!

  http://www.kuranmuslumani.com/.....deolojisi/

  2. buyuk yalan:
  ——————
  Allah hicbir zaman evrimi kullanmamistir!! butun canli turlerini ve insanlari ayri ayri ve sipsak yaratmistir!!
  bunun icin bizler evrim dusuncesine ilimli bakan ve boylelikle “Isanin ilahligini sorgulayan” ve tek Allaha kulluk etme egiliminde olan teist-evrimci hristiyanlara degil,
  bilakis evrime 100 yildir siddetle ates puskuren ve
  “evrim dusuncesi tum insanlarin mukemmel Tanrinin goruntusunde sip-sak yaratildigi ve Isanin da mukemmel bir Tanri tecellisi olarak sip-sak gonderildigi hristiyan inancini temelden sarsabilir” diyerek evrim dusuncesine 100 yildir amansiz bir hacli seferi duzenleyen Evanjelik hristiyanlara daha yakin olmaliyiz!!
  dolayisiyla, Kuran’da evrimsel yaratilisi isaret eden tum ayetleri evirip-cevirip & kaydirip-saptirip toptan inkar etmeliyiz!!

  http://www.kuranmuslumani.com/.....bir-bakis/

  3. buyuk yalan:
  ———————–
  hz. Isa cok yakinda yeryuzune geri gelecektir!!
  ve geldiginde o da aynen bizim Mehdi gibi vahiyle hareket edecektir!!

  http://kurandaceliskiyoktur.co...../#comments

  4. buyuk yalan
  ———————–
  hz. Peygamber Kuran disinda “gaybi hadisler” alip Mehdiyi ve maceralarini inananlara bildirmistir!!
  hz. Peygamberin Kuran disinda aldigi boyle “vahiysel gaybi hadislerin” sayisi neredeyse Kuran kadardir!!

  http://www.aliaksoy.net/2008/0.....ert-erdem/

  evet, tum bu tip adi yalanlarin –ve burada aktarammadigim daha nicelerinin– herbirinin ALLAHIN EBEDI LANETINI & SIDDETLI GAZABINI gerektiren
  buyuk suclar oldugu Kuran’da acikca isaret edilmis olmalidir. (6/93) (14/19 & 52/32) (5/17 = 21/30 & 71/13-14 & 6/133 & 76/1) (3/55 & 5/117) (39/23 & 45/6-10 & 6/50) (7/30) (23/53-56)…

  oyleyse, vakitleri geldiginde bu tip “yalancilari” Allahin korkunc ve ebedi azabindan koruyacak olanlar kimdir?
  su dunyanin 3 yillik hafif azabi karsisinda boyle siddetli panige kapilanlar ve kapi kapi dolasip sahte kahramanlarina yalaka sozlerle destek arayanlar bakalim ahiret gununde Allahin ve meleklerinin karsisinda ne yapacaklar?
  ———-

  o halde, bundan boyle artik –bu tip adi yalanlari tamamen birakip– sadece Kuranin en dogru ve tastamam sekilde bize tanittigi yuce Allaha ve Onun serefli Resulune (a.s.) donecek, ve sonra gonulden & hakkiyla sadece Ona kulluk edecek olan tum salih muminlere,

  en derin selam ve hurmetlerimle.

  hasan on Mayıs 21st, 2008

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